Get Ready For Some New Questions

Get Ready For Some New Questions
By Debra Scala Giokas ‘87

A couple of years ago, I had an interesting conversation with a young woman who was working the registration booth at a social media seminar. This young woman was in the process of looking for work as a marketing project manager, and in the interim, she was volunteering at a non-profit as well as an association for business communicators.

I asked her about the interview process. She was quick to share some of the questions she was asked. One interviewer, she said, asked, "Tell me what's in the front seat, the back seat and the trunk of your car." Another asked, "Tell me how many outfits you tried on before this interview this morning, and how many of them are left on the floor?" Another asked, "Describe how the icons on your desktop are organized." In the middle of our conversation, a seasoned marketing professional joined us. She commented, "It's such a tough job market and people are well-prepared with the set interview questions such as -- tell me about your weakness or describe yourself -- that interviewers are getting creative. They want to see what makes you tick."

I would imagine that the interviewers were trying to see how well she could think on her feet. They also were trying to find out if she was an organized person who planned ahead and would keep a neat work station. The best way to prepare for these interviews is to bring a sense of calm with you. Remaining calm will help you think clearly and honestly so you can answer in a way that sheds light on your true personality. If you don't have the right answers for the interviewer, then chances are you weren't the best fit for the company’s culture and you were spared some months of anguish in a job not right for you.

This young lady also added that she was having a hard time getting work because the interviewers said, "We are really looking for someone already in that job." She added, "They don't want me because I am unemployed."

At any stage of your career, you may find yourself in the unemployment line or in the chair across from a zany interviewer. You must remember to never get disillusioned with the process.

Looking for work is the hardest work that you will ever do. Once you accept this reality, the journey will become easier. 

Debra Scala Giokas has been in the field of Legal Marketing for 25 years. For the last 16, she has been working as Marketing Director of Long Island’s second largest law firm, Certilman Balin Adler & Hyman, LLP. Debra shares her love of English as a board advisor for Literacy Nassau which promotes adult literacy in the community. Debra was also an Adjunct Assistant Professor at Dowling College, where she taught an undergraduate course in services marketing for six years. She has been published in a variety of business and legal trades, which includes a quarterly column in the Public Relations Professionals of Long Island's (PRPLI) newsletter “For Immediate Release.” Debra’s poems have appeared in magazines and literary journals, most recently in the 2014 Nassau County Poet Laureate Review. Debra was recognized by PRPLI with its Mentor Award in 2012.

You can follow Debra on Twitter @debrascalag.

Raise Your Hand, Speak Your Mind, Learn About Yourself

"Raise Your Hand, Speak Your Mind, Learn About Yourself" 

By Debra Scala Giokas, '87

After I graduated college, I learned how much I didn't know; and after I started teaching as an adjunct, I learned how much I did know. There is an upside and a downside to listening to yourself talk for almost three hours. The upside is that you are amazed to see how much your memory has retained and how many people have affected your life. The downside is that you can't turn yourself off for at least an hour after class. It's draining. It's always easiest when the class participates.

As a student, it is so easy to fall into the trap of showing up, plopping into your seat, and listening to the professor talk for hours. It's harder to engage yourself in the dialogue, but that's exactly what you should be doing. Hearing yourself talk gives you the opportunity to learn more about your world view - or your lack of one. And there is no venue that promotes the open flow and exchange of ideas better than a classroom setting. It's a chance to grow, to learn about your own life and to see how you fit into history.

The more you live, the more you learn that this saying is true: "Wherever you go, there you are." You can't escape yourself. You travel with your body, mind, heart and soul. Strive to be comfortable by yourself - and in yourself - anywhere you go. Ralph Waldo Emerson said, "It is easy in the world to live after the world's opinion; it is easy in solitude to live after our own; but the great man is he who in the midst of the crowd keeps with perfect sweetness the independence of solitude."

We all feel better when we share a part of ourselves in intimate conversation with a friend. How many people actually stop to talk with each other anymore? How many people walk past someone, smile and say, "How are you?" and yet never stop to listen to the answer.

This is our society. It's one of hellos and good-byes. People are craving the connection that conversation brings. Sending text messages is not genuine conversation.

On a daily basis, you have the ability to choose what ideas you consume, what books you read, what shows you watch, and what types of people you associate with. These factors have the power to make you grow distant from yourself or to enhance who you already are. But you must be in touch with your core value system so that you may make the right choices and know in which direction you want to grow.

The way to hear your inner voice is to share that voice with others. Speak out in class, share ideas, and don't be self-conscious about your thoughts and opinions. This is the way you learn about yourself and the world around you. This is how you determine how you will play a part to better the world.

How will you bring your gifts and talents to the world stage? How will you leave your mark? What will your legacy be?

If you think about these big questions during your college years, you will spare yourself many years of anxiety. Pondering these questions will guide you into the right first job, and that job will guide you into the next one. Most importantly, you'll find a way to use your talents to serve humanity from your corner of the world. You will know how to make the right decisions for yourself because you'll become your own best counselor and friend.

 Debra Scala Giokas has been in the field of Legal Marketing for 25 years. For the last 16, she has been working as Marketing Director of Long Island’s second largest law firm, Certilman Balin Adler & Hyman, LLP. Debra shares her love of English as a board advisor for Literacy Nassau which promotes adult literacy in the community. Debra was also an Adjunct Assistant Professor at Dowling College, where she taught an undergraduate course in services marketing for six years. She has been published in a variety of business and legal trades, which includes a quarterly column in the Public Relations Professionals of Long Island's (PRPLI) newsletter “For Immediate Release.” Debra’s poems have appeared in magazines and literary journals, most recently in the 2014 Nassau County Poet Laureate Review. Debra was recognized by PRPLI with its Mentor Award in 2012.

You can follow Debra on Twitter @debrascalag.

Be Willing To Learn

 Be Willing To Learn

 By Debra Scala Giokas '87

One day, when I was a senior in high school looking for work, my parents and I were walking in a shopping mall about twenty minutes away from where we lived. I had come of age – working age – and I needed to start saving for college. “Go apply to JC Penney,” they said as we spotted the store.

I took the elevator up to the fourth floor, which only permitted employees. I saw women carrying clear plastic purses and a man with a gold badge. I asked the receptionist for an application, filled it out, and waited right there on the spot for an interview.

A woman wearing a leopard print blouse, stylish glasses, and her hair in an updo met me with a firm handshake and a gracious smile. 

She looked at my application, lowered her glasses to the tip of her nose and said, “You have no experience. Why should I hire you?”

Without skipping a beat, I replied, “I am willing to learn.”

I got the job. Why? She explained to me that willingness to learn is the best quality to have.

Afterwards, I couldn’t wait to tell my parents. They were thrilled. It was one of the proudest moments of my life. I never even thought about the minimum wage salary, which was $3.35 per hour. To me, it was the best job in the world.

I spent the next several years working my way through college at JCPenney in a variety of capacities. Here I honed my interpersonal, organizational and financial skills. I learned how good design affects sales, and I learned about the cost vs. retail price. I became adept at cash management, issues with credit cards and a slew of returns after the holiday season. I also began to understand how important customer service (and listening to people) is to a company’s well-being.

The staff kept challenging me. I started in the Boys’ Department, then worked in Infants’, Men’s, Housewares, Bedding, Cameras, Credit, Audit and Invoice. They called me an “associate”, and made me feel like a part of their team. I worked the 12:30 p.m. to 9:30 p.m. shift on Saturdays, and I worked nights after school. During college breaks, I worked full-time.

I got my first job out of college in the Customer Service Department at Canon USA. I was able to obtain this position because of my experience in the Camera Department at JCPenney. Since I sold cameras, I had already proven my ability to learn about the products. This helped me to answer customer complaints with typewritten letters in those pre-e-mail days. From this I learned an important lesson: you never know which experience will help you accomplish your next goal.

I parlayed my customer service stint of eleven months to obtain a marketing job at a bank and, eventually, a position at a law firm. I have been working in legal marketing since 1990.

I will never forget the JCPenney Human Resources Director who took a chance on me. I tend to remember the people who were kind to me in my youth. Perhaps that is why I try to give back, too. 

At my workplace, I am one of the professionals who participate in "Shadow Day," held on February 2 (“Groundhog Day.) On this day, teenagers from area high schools come to our workplace and “shadow’ professionals who have jobs in their desired fields. 

Through “Shadow Day”, I have met many bright and ambitious high school students. I can recall one particular student who really stood out. She spent extra time with me, asked intelligent questions, and sent a handwritten thank you note after the event. She also asked for advice on how she could use her summer to get ahead.  "I'm willing to try anything,” she wrote.

I know she will go far.

Nothing is more inspiring to a boss, a teacher, or a mentor than someone who is willing to learn. 

 Debra Scala Giokas has been in the field of Legal Marketing for 25 years. For the last 15, she has been working as Marketing Director of Long Island’s second largest law firm Certilman Balin Adler & Hyman, LLP. Debra shares her love of English as a board advisor for Literacy Nassau which promotes adult literacy in the community. Debra was also an Adjunct Assistant Professor at Dowling College, where she taught an undergraduate course in services marketing for six years. She has been published in a variety of business and legal trades, which includes a quarterly column in the Public Relations Professionals of Long Island's (PRPLI) newsletter “For Immediate Release.” Debra’s poems regularly appear in the Great South Bay Magazine, and have appeared in magazines and literary journals. Debra was recognized by PRPLI with its Mentor Award in 2012.

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There Are No Major Mistakes: How an English Major ended up in a Legal Marketing

"There Are No Major Mistakes: How an English Major ended up in a Legal Marketing" 

By Debra Scala Giokas, '87

When I was a student of literature at Stony Brook back in the late 80’s, the standard question was always, “What are you going to do with an English degree?” I’m sure that’s still being asked today. The same could be asked of a degree in anthropology or sociology or history. Unless your major is accounting or engineering or computer science, chances are that you are going to be questioned not only why you chose your major but, more practically, how are you going to apply it in the real world. Welcome to the plight of the student of the liberal arts.

Many people don’t value the liberal arts degree because many are still not able to make the connection between the skills you learn through your major and the job that you will be able to do. It’s your responsibility to make that connection for them.

For example, English majors bring excellent communication, interpersonal, and organizational skills to the table. They also bring an understanding of the human condition. English majors are empathetic and good listeners which could position them as a journalist, counselor, or career advisor.

Most employers require the same set of skills: communication, interpersonal, and organizational. They’ll want you to be well-versed in technology. The internet and now, social media, has set us all in a tailspin, creating opportunities that we never could have imagined decades ago. In ads, you’ll also hear terms like self-starter, or team player, or highly motivated. These are skills that can’t be taught.

The economy plays a major role in helping you to determine where you will land your first job. Depending on economic trends, some fields you began studying for may be closed off, and others you never dreamed of may show much promise. That’s why you need to be flexible. You also need a good, solid education. Translation: you need to make sure you’ve learned how to learn.

When I was in college, I never heard of my career. I never took a course in legal marketing. It didn’t exist.

So what is legal marketing? In 1977, a ruling in an Arizona court established that lawyers would be able to advertise their services. As a result, a new field of in-house marketing professionals at law firms began to flourish. I was hired as the first full-time in-house legal marketer on Long Island, and I have since worked at three of Long Island’s largest law firms. I have been at my current position as Director of Marketing at Certilman Balin for the past 15 years.

Over the course of my 25 year career, I have seen the growth in this field. Approximately 30 Long Island law firms now have in-house marketers. With its national and international membership, the Legal Marketing Association is a testament to the growth of this profession.

A legal marketer is responsible for a myriad of functions including: internal and external communications, community relations, website development and maintenance, seminars, special events, public relations, advertising, media relations, newsletters, database management and social media. It’s our job to position our firm in the marketplace and to spread the word about our areas of legal expertise. No two days are ever the same. I credit my ability to keep up with the many requirements to my solid education and the work experience I gained along the way, beginning with part-time jobs and internships.

There is a difference between selling services and selling products. It’s much harder to brand an invisible service (accounting, law, insurance) than it is to brand a tangible product such as a camera, television, or car. When people can’t see what you provide, they can question the process, or the bill, or why they should use you in the first place. A marketer of professional services must build an awareness of the service and what the client can count on. We market the promise, using a variety of tools (as mentioned above) from the marketing toolbox.

Let’s get back to my English degree. My writing skills have been invaluable throughout my career. The ability to read legal documents and cases and translate them into common language for the general public is like reading Shakespeare, and then writing a legible paper which shows a thorough understanding of the playwright’s masterpieces. To give you an idea, I write press releases, columns, articles, newsletters, biographies (even obituaries), memos, letters, and speeches, as well as copy for the web, brochures, and social media.

Don’t worry so much about picking the right major for the right job. Focus on the major right for you. Your reason to study what you love is also for personal enrichment. I love that I majored in literature, as reading and writing for pleasure is such a huge part of my life. I write and publish poems – not for pay, but for personal satisfaction.

If you feel happier and more alive, you will have confidence, and that confidence will carry you throughout the many decisions you will make in your career. The only “major” mistake you make is listening to people who question your major. If you get swayed from what you love, you will regret it.

Always “follow your bliss,” as Joseph Campbell said.  If you don’t know who Joseph Campbell is, then take a course in mythology or go to the library or Google him. Keep learning.

 Debra Scala Giokas has been in the field of Legal Marketing for 25 years. For the last 15, she has been working as Marketing Director of Long Island’s second largest law firm Certilman Balin Adler & Hyman, LLP. Debra shares her love of English as a board advisor for Literacy Nassau which promotes adult literacy in the community. Debra was also an Adjunct Assistant Professor at Dowling College, where she taught an undergraduate course in services marketing for six years. She has been published in a variety of business and legal trades, which includes a quarterly column in the Public Relations Professionals of Long Island's (PRPLI) newsletter “For Immediate Release.” Debra’s poems regularly appear in the Great South Bay Magazine, and have appeared in magazines and literary journals. Debra was recognized by PRPLI with its Mentor Award in 2012.

You can follow Debra on twitter @debrascalag.